Supernatural Book Club - Roadkill

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UPDATE *** Sarie will host the next Book Club meeting. Her episode is Skin**** (Thank Sarie!)
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
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I actually wrote a blog on it because it was 3 in the morning and I couldn't sleep.
I'm sorry that I missed that!
I didn't pick up on Dean's attitude the first time. I thought he was just reacting to Sam's over-the-top emo. It was on the re-watch that I realized it was because this was just another supernatural being that needed to be used and then vanquished.
As for the hook, they really skirt that issue by not showing it. But since Molly is only seeing what she wants to see, maybe once Greely is gone, she becomes free of the hook, and in her mind the boys helped her. Or maybe the rope breaks and she drops? It would be interesting to see what kind of discussion the writers had about that.
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Posted by: whimsywinx (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC)
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There was a whole thing. I was on the road. My roommate was on the phone for half the episode. I came in late. *shakes head* Good times.
It would. Or, they could have the boys shirtless to "distract" us from stuff like that.
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Posted by: whimsywinx (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 09:32 pm (UTC)
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*is innocent*
Did I drag you away from work to look at comments?
*adjusts halo*
*grins evilly*
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 8th, 2008 12:29 am (UTC)
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Huh? What did you say Tariel? I'm still on the "shirtless boys". Yes, Whimsy, that would have been a lovely way to distract us from the clues that lead to the eventual reveal. In fact, I think they should try it in another episode. Soon.
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Posted by: oceantriana (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC)
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Hey Panns! I saw this over at the TVG blogs and am trying to read it while doing work - it's not going so well...
*points to pile of paperwork on desk*
*head desk*
I'll post any significant comments over there. (Hope that's ok)
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Posted by: sarie_wanderer (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
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This was the second episode I saw on tv after discovering the series. I was still working Thursday nights and I had to set up the vcr in the spare bedroom. When I got home and started watching it, I only got to see the first 15 minutes before the tape ran out - I accidentally recorded on SP mode. I was pretty mad and had to wait until Saturday morning to watch it on CW's website. When I watched in there it somehow skipped the whole section between them rescuing Molly from Greeley and them sitting on the steps outside her husband's house - so I missed the whole reveal. I was a little confused by the ending that way - "oh, I guess she's dead". Then I started reading the tvguide blog and Tina mentions that Molly killed Greeley and I'm thinking wow, I didn't figure that out, I'm not very observant. And everyone's comments about the episode made me feel dumb for not reading between the lines as well as everyone else. It wasn't until a day or two later that I rewatched it and saw the missing section.
Anyway - I rewatched the episode the other day, and I think that one reason it's important to be from Molly's POV is that she doesn't do that flickering in and out thing that all the other ghosts on the show do. The boys might see it, but we don't, because Molly doesn't.
I wonder if Sam was also being careful with her because she was a ghost, one whose bones they couldn't burn. They needed to find out what was keeping her here and resolve it without her becoming violent.
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
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Oh Sarie, I’m sorry that you missed the reveal the first time. It was so well done, but once you know the twist, it loses effect. I didn’t see it coming until I saw that David had another wife.
I think that one reason it's important to be from Molly's POV is that she doesn't do that flickering in and out thing that all the other ghosts on the show do. The boys might see it, but we don't, because Molly doesn't.
What a fantastic point! I didn’t even think of that. It’s very likely she looked differently to the boys than from her own POV. For example, she may have been more hurt (like Farmer Roadkill), but didn’t see the fatal wounds in herself. Or maybe she looked that way because she thought she was alive.
And good point about Sam. The boys go into the situation not knowing why Molly is still there, or what they can do to move her on. They may be assuming that Greely is holding her there, which is why plan A was to get her off the road. And then in interacting with her, they realize that she’s holding on to her husband.
Good discussion!
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Posted by: tariel22 (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC)
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I remember all through this episode, I kept thinking, what's wrong, why is Dean being such a jerk? And why is Sammy being so overly solicitous? But of course I didn't figure it out until they went to see her husband. Yeah, the end of The Sixth Sense was a big shocker to me too. :)
I didn't pick up on the lack of physical contact, though, that's a cool observation. Obviously a deliberate choice, as you say, and it shows how masterful the people who make this show are. They know we're picking up on these cues subconsciously, even if we don't realize it, and it colors our reaction to the show. There are all these layers of perception, and they're touching on all of them. God, I love this show.
I'll bet the lack of physical contact was challenging for the boys, too. They're both such physical people, when they act and in real life, that it must have been weird to have to hold back in this case and still look completely natural. Watch Jensen in anything he's ever done. He's constantly touching people, and in the same way, using the same gestures, so you know it's him, rather than the script or the director.
I can imagine that the twist in this episode has become even more intriguing to you now, since you've wrestled with the crafting of your own twist as an author. You know yourself the difficulty of achieving the perfect balance of giving away just enough, but not too much. It gives you a unique perspective.
Thanks for sharing this! I need to go watch this one again.
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, the end of The Sixth Sense was a big shocker to me too. :)
Me too. But I love it when I’m completely fooled like that!
I picked up on the lack of physical contact the second time that I watched the show. And that was with knowing the ending. One of the things that started me looking for it was hearing the comments for IMTOD, and how they tried really hard to have Jensen not touch anything or anyone. This was a little different, because she did pick up objects. It would have been really cool to if she just drew their attention to things without touching them, and had the boys opening and closing the doors of the impala (or just not show her get out of the impala on camera) but that probably would have been too awkward.
He's constantly touching people, and in the same way, using the same gestures, so you know it's him, rather than the script or the director.
That’s very true. I love the way this translates into Dean’s physical contact with his brother. It’s like he needs to reassure himself that his brother is there and is OK.
You are right, now that I’ve tried to do the same thing, I appreciate how hard it is to pepper the episode with clues, and yet not give away the reveal. And, of course, our SN writing team is awesome at this!!
Enjoy watching again!!
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Posted by: tariel22 (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 09:26 pm (UTC)
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Me too. But I love it when I’m completely fooled like that!
Oh, me too! That's why I like to avoid spoilers in general. I love those OMG moments.
It’s like he needs to reassure himself that his brother is there and is OK.
I love how you put this. There's a signature Jensen move that is the epitome of this, I know you've seen it, where he puts his hand flat on Jared's chest, or pats him there, and he does it on the show too. I mean, in RL they are brothers, in every way but blood, aren't they? It's one of the things that is so unique about this show, and makes it so much better than all the other crap we're offered.
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 8th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
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Yes, now that you mention it, I do remember it. I noticed especially in Mag7 how Dean is constantly reaching out to Sam. I really enjoyed how Jensen conveys the urgency of Dean needing that physical reassurance because for Dean just a few days ago his brother was dead, when in real life they've been off for a "summer" break.
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Posted by: tariel22 (
Posted at: January 8th, 2008 05:46 am (UTC)
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I really enjoyed how Jensen conveys the urgency of Dean needing that physical reassurance because for Dean just a few days ago his brother was dead, when in real life they've been off for a "summer" break.
I never really thought about that before, but you are so right! He was able to seamlessly bring us back to that same level of intensity. I love how Jensen puts everything into his performance, and the way he talks about how the emotional scenes are harder than the physical ones.
I will say that before this season, I thought Jensen was the clearly superior actor, but this season I have been equally blown away by Jared, episode after episode. I don't know if it's maturity, overall experience, or the demands of this show, but I think he has really come into his own as an actor.
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 8th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
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I agree about Jared. I've loved the range of Jensen's acting from the beginning. But there have been a couple of scenes last season and this (most recently in Fresh Blood when Sam is begging Dean to be his brother again) where Jared has shown that he is not to be discounted as an actor. I am amazed at the level of acting these two boys achieve. I mentioned at TVGuide.com once that on a website they had a contest for "best brother argument" or something like that, and they posted clips of the competing shows. Our boys totally blew the others away, and I don’t think they picked the best scene, either. (They chose the beginning of Hunted)
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Posted by: tariel22 (
Posted at: January 8th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
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I am amazed at the level of acting these two boys achieve.
I couldn't agree more! I can't tell you how many times I have found myself just stunned at the end of an episode, unable to quite believe how talented and wonderful these two actors are. They make me laugh, they make me cry, they make my heart ache, and obviously they make me think about them all day long! LOL!
It kills me that there are people who dismiss this show out of hand because of the subject matter. I know it's their loss, but I so want our boys, and our show, to receive the recognition and awards they deserve. Mostly, though, I just feel incredibly fortunate that this show exists, and I'm thankful for each new episode.
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Posted by: koosh2012 (
Posted at: January 7th, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)
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Thanks, Panns. Roadkill was one of my favorite episodes, especially from a technical perspective. I love the use of Molly's POV to filter our relationship to the main characters. Creates the kind of depth that I dig about the show when they "go grey." IMToD, Roadkill and Houses of the Holy, in my mind, lay a subtextual groundwork for BDW's transition in the finale. It was meaningful that he climbed out of hell and saved the day; but even moreso when supported by these "where do spirits go?" questions that have been asked and complicated.
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Posted by: panns (
Posted at: January 8th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)
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That's very true, Koosh. There is a thread they weave through the season so that when BDW does dissolve in a bright glow, we're not left scratching our heads wondering what happened.
I love how they can have such a complete single episode story, and yet it still echoes forward to the other episodes.
And I really did like seeing the boys through someone else's eyes. Even knowing what we know, it was still kind of creepy to see Dean pull up the trunk and for Molly to see the kind of stuff they carry.
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| 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 |
| 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 |
| 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 |
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This was my first episode on TVG.com. *pauses for a moment of nostalgia* I actually wrote a blog on it because it was 3 in the morning and I couldn't sleep.
I remember thinking something was majorly wrong with the whole episode. Part of it was Dean's attitude and something else, which I realized was that the episode is told from Molly's POV. Only after reading some of the blogs did I realize that Molly never pysically touched the boys. Which make the hook thing puzzling. Did they just cut the hook down?